Huhu. dont understand anything hahahahah.. btw, sold all last week before some said correction now, some said operator runaway, some say now cheap blah blah blah.
Bunga Raya checked... ANZO checked.. Dataprp checked.. now DNEX checked. OKie i dont have hot counters now. Will buy again after i feel more secure and stable. Not you say, he say or banker say. I will listen only to myself as no ppl will pity me if losing money. For DNEX, now will avoid. The chart and profile look similar to one of the above mention. Will have same fate? I dunno. So you own call.
Stockmanmy,I can't judged ur comment on qtr rpt bcou 'tis I not good at BUT NOTICE OF PERSON CEASING COMMENT SHOW U UP TO NO GOOD. U TRY CREATE FEAR WITH FALSE INFORMATION.
But 2016 operating after tax profit is $ 10 million
Tai KT my 2cents, people buy base on the future prospects, this is way the price move up sharply. if you incur the net current asset and around 50m of profit last year
downtrend just started,don't be in self denial mode. dnex stands for DUMBO U R NEXT after ekovest and iwcity.....beware also up more than 300% since jan without any concrete news.
Sold off my dnex as reached my tp 0.67 which is derived based on Myeg model. From here onwards, is better to invest in myeg as it is proven and gives dividend as well.
MD Zainal Abidin acquired on: 17th Aug 2016 - 123.78mio shares at 0.25 from Censof 19th Sep 2016 - 35mio shares at 0.265 from Censof 10th Apr 2017 - 130mio shares at 0.43 from Azman Karim (who owns since 193.5mio shares before this disposal to Zainal Abidin.....)
And as of 25th April 2017, Zainal Abidin has 360mio shares equivalent to 20.6% shares of the company.
You caught the interesting point on their Profit.....good observation....and I believe you have good MNC background. And yes, of course these people in the Board are goreng kings....who's not. But look deeper..... just look deeper.
I am not sure about the price trend, but retracing to below 60 is unlikely in these 2mths.....however, who am I to tell, sentiment/any global effect can drive it in a different direction. Only God can tell. I don't play God, God needs to have deep pocket.... haha.
Anyway, I hv been accumulating. And I choose to hold them still, for now.
now that you mentioned it, I remember noticing it a couple of weeks back when I bought at 50 sen...but forgot about it this morning. lets just say both Azman and Zainal would know every thing there is to know....one is the seller, the other is the buyer. The buyer thinks he can do a lot of stuffs with it and the seller thinks there is nothing more he can do.
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MD Zainal Abidin acquired on: 17th Aug 2016 - 123.78mio shares at 0.25 from Censof 19th Sep 2016 - 35mio shares at 0.265 from Censof 10th Apr 2017 - 130mio shares at 0.43 from Azman Karim (who owns since 193.5mio shares before this disposal to Zainal Abidin.....)
Let the price correction, this is healthy. I insist, my 2 cents statement is correct. $10 profit is miss leading. This is not goreng counter. If you do not confident, you just out 1st. You don't have to agree. Let see the coming report so that you decide to re enter not.
Yeah, as an investor, what I like about Dnex is their debt free position......and all its dream stream income...... that's why I am still bullish that 0.60 wil be history some 1+wk ago & still maintain my position during the red sea attack yesterday.....in fact I accumulated still....haha.... but again, as any investment, exercise your own judgement and handle your own risks.
Deferred tax reversal as the main source of profits, negative goodwill as the main source of profits both coming from the merger accounting in oil and gas industry...I think the accounting profession needs a big revamp and I know all these creative accounting came from and are started by Americans. I hate all these creative accounting stuffs.
HHnW > You caught the interesting point on their Profit.....good observation.
That was what I caught too when I read the annual report. I bought in @0.39 avg as I saw limited downside and huge upside potential based on its PE and PBV plus it's zero debt and net cash position. But I am not convinced (after digesting the annual report) that their quarterly EPS can top the EPS of 2Qtr16 at least in the short term of few Qtr. I would see their avg qtr EPS stands around 0.5 to 0.8cents. Reason being contribution from O&G will be flattish for some time and their IT related business only brings in marginal revenue. That said I have locked in my position @0.65 and keep a small portion (which has zero balance cost) and KIV on their next few Qtr result
Best read the book A Random Walk Down Wall Street by Burton Malkeil. He touch the subject on page 60 (Synergy Generates Energy) where creative accounting thru "Synergism" where having 2 plus 2 equal 5.
Stockmanmy, yup, something like that...... U got it....and still can go a bit deeper. .............................................................................................................................................. Stockmanmy : lets just say both Azman and Zainal would know every thing there is to know....one is the seller, the other is the buyer. The buyer thinks he can do a lot of stuffs with it and the seller thinks there is nothing more he can do.
...and, talking about creative accounting, i agree. But its everywhere. SGX market has it too, as regulated as the country is. Investing has two objectves, make money....short or longterm depending on your risk appetite. Don't romance with your stocks.
Yeap...one of the rule of investing is don't fall in love with your investment. Applies business logic and accounting understanding when evaluating a stock. Don't follow the herd. Follow your own instinct and not what other people say or think. Own investment, on risk and own reward and nobody else. No matter how a share price fluctuates on a daily basis with sense or no sense, over long run the market will always be efficient and the share price will always ends up to its fair value.
Not falling in love doesn't mean don't hold long term...some shares i have been holding for more than 10 years. To me as long as the fundamental don't change and is within a fair value basis, plus I don't need to rebalance my portfolio, I will keep holding it. Over long run, the dividend payout is more than enough to cover the purchase price of the stock
Normally when you see high deferred tax reversal, you think not a bad company to have this. The company must must made a lot of money to have this huge deferred tax account. Right?
Wrong!
This huge deferred tax account is born out of the valuations of the oil fields and nothing to do with profits having ever been made.
what is that negative good will?
Let say you pay $ 100 for the oil field. Experts say the field is worth $ 150. Well....you have $ 50 worth of negative good will.
experts again......hahaha
the whole industry is a joke.
Profits used to be what you get for selling stuffs
Nowadays, profits is what you get for hiring experts.
manmy, you confuse people. Profit can be fake and you are right. But something there can not be fake. I know and I think you also so know what is inside can not be fake. while you drill too too deep on the profit and you over look the rest. Look at the balance sheet, P and L, Cash flow, performance and the future prospects.
yes part of the last result announced is from revaluation assets.............so it won't be repeat in the coming result. Hence, the result could be lower than the last one......in my opinion.
comparison of profit should be consistent always. it is no point to compare one with asset evaluate gain and one without. At least you have to take out goodwill included reevaluation gain before comparing.
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Posted by stockmanmy > 2017-05-04 20:48 | Report Abuse
end of 3 months, we will re visit.
y orangbaru77 > May 4, 2017 08:43 PM | Report Abuse
folks..for ur perusal
https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/thegoldeneyes007/121746.jsp