Choivo Capital

(CHOIVO CAPITAL) 2018 Year End Update and Memo to Investors

Choivo Capital
Publish date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018, 12:55 AM

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2018 Year End Update and Memo to Investors



Dear Fund Unit Investors/IOU Holders

Our performance

As a fund manager of a long only, bottoms up, value oriented fund, it is my expectation and hope (it's always hard to tell which is which) that we will do relatively well compared to the general market in down or static markets, but that we may not look so good in advancing markets. In strongly advancing markets I expect to have real difficulty keeping up with the general market.


However, thus far, this does not appear to be the case for the fund, at least on a surface level, as we will see below.


As most of us are probably aware (considering the sheer amount of panic and talk about a recession these days, it would be hard not to), equity markets around the world have been falling very strongly this year, with many being officially characterised as a bear market (down more than 20% from peak)


For example, the Chinese stock market (Shenzen and Shanghai) has fallen more than 30% from peak, along with the US markets (Nasdaq and S&P500) also having fallen by more than 20% from peak.


For the period under review, 3 January 2018 to 28 December 2018, the benchmark used by the fund, the “FBMEMAS Index” which represents 98% of the market capitalisation of all listed companies in Malaysia, have fallen from 12,930 to 11,537 or 10.77%.


In addition, the Bursa Malaysia MidS Cap Index, which consist of companies listed in the BURSA with Market Capitalisation of RM200m to RM2bil and is roughly 70% of our portfolio (and thus a more accurate representation), have fallen from 17,338.5 to 11,709.7 or 32.46% .


This year, the net asset value (NAV) for each fund unit have fallen from RM1.13 to RM0.9272, a fall of RM0.2028 or 17.95%.


This represents an underperformance of 7.18% against the FBMEMAS Index and an overperformance of 14.51% against the Bursa Malaysia MidS Cap Index on our part.


There is a saying by Goethe I particularly like, “When ideas fail, words come in very handy”.


At the end of the day, negative returns are negative returns. Using the Japanese stock market for the last 40 years as reference, one can outperform the market every single year and still lose money


As investors, we expect not just outperformance, but a positive return on our capital over the long term. And as your fund manager and largest unsecured investor in the fund, I intend to provide it.


My continual objective in managing this fund is to achieve not just a long term performance record superior to that of the FBMEMAS Index, but also a positive one. And unless we do achieve this, there is no reason for the existence of this fund.


For our IOU holders, regardless of performance, at minimum, the protection of your capital and interest of 4.5% (0.2-0.3% higher than the highest FD rate in Malaysia) is guaranteed.




A Word About Yardsticks.

As the fund manager, one of the most important matter in relation to my relationship with you, the investor or IOU holder, is to ensure that we both use the same yardstick.


Based on that yardstick, if my performance is poor, I expect partners to withdraw upon the end of the contract period, and indeed, I should look for a new source of investment for my own funds.


If performance is good, I am assured of doing splendidly, a state of affairs to which I am sure I can adjust.


The rub, then, is in being sure that we all have the same ideas of what is good and what is poor. I believe in establishing yardsticks prior to the act; retrospectively, almost anything can be made to look good in relation to something or other.


Since the start of the year, I have used the FBMEMAS Index as our measure of par. It is my feeling that 1 year 8 months is a very minimal test of performance, and the best test consists of a period where the terminal level of the FBMEMAS Index is reasonably close to the initial level, over a length of 5 years or more.


While the FBMEMAS Index is not perfect (nor is anything else) as a measure of performance, it has the advantage of being widely known and used (Pheim Unit Trust uses a benchmark of 60% FBMEMAS Index and 40% Maybank 1 year average FD Rate), has a long period of continuity, and reflects with reasonable accuracy the experience of investors generally with the market.


I have no objection to any other method of measurement of general market performance being used, such as other stock market averages, leading diversified mutual stock funds, bank common trust funds, etc, however, accurate data for these is significantly harder to obtain, with high survivorship bias due to underperforming funds being shuttered.


It is quite common for a bank to launch 30 new unit trust, and only keep the top 3-5 funds with decent track record, while shuttering the rest. Allowing them to report significantly higher performance when the reality cannot be further than that.


Despite our underperformance to the FBMEMAS Index, I do not consider the FBMEMAS Index to be a strong competitor over the long term, as the KLSE is historically known as a “Stock pickers market”, due to higher than usual amounts of mediocre companies, as well as extremely overvalued GLC’s which pulls down prospective growth of the index, thus giving higher probabilities of success to those who are shrewd in their selection of equities.


The above dose of philosophy is being dispensed since I have never properly elaborated on the benchmarks used and why they were chosen, and thus i wanted to take this opportunity to make sure everyone understands my objectives, my measure of attainment of these objectives, and some of my known limitations.





Observations and predictions about the economy.

Regular readers of my letters and articles from the website (I may be flattering myself) will feel I have left the tracks when I start talking about predictions, especially since our investment philosophy consist of analysing from the bottom up (company level) instead of top-down (economic picture and trends).


This is one thing from which I have always shied away and I still do in the normal sense.


However, like any human being, I can discuss our view of the economy and the market. Fortunately for you, i don’t tend to operate based on those view, and at best, only lean on them slightly.


I am certainly not going to predict what general business or the stock market are going to do in the next year or two since I don't have the faintest idea.


However, as my previous two letters this year have touched upon the specifics of some of our current investments, with there being little change in the subsequent months, I think it would be of greater use if I were to try and make some sense over what has been happening over the last few months.


As someone on an investing forum I frequent have said, for most market participants, this year is likely to be and “Annus Horribilis” which is latin, for a horrible year. And they were a few reasons for this.



  1. 2017 was truly a fantastic year.

    As many of you have noticed. Although the performance of stock market is usually tied to the performance in the economy over the long term. Over the short term, this is usually not the case.

    In 2017, the Dow Jones Index Average (“DJIA”) rose 25.8% despite the US economy only growing 3.5% or so.  Its was spectacular for market participants. We had returns with no volatility, and every single correlation worked.

    In 2018, despite the American economy growing at a record pace of 4% or so, with the strongest jobs gains for a long time, the DJIA has fallen by 6.4% and this drop appears unlikely to abate too soon.

    At the end of the day, the markets grow in tandem with the economy, any growth far in excess of the growth in the economy/earnings is likely to result in a correction somewhere down the line, unless sudden and extreme productivity gains are obtained.

  2. Foreign fund outflow in emerging markets due to rise in US interest rates.

    In 2008, interest rates in the US were lowered to around 0.25% to stimulate the economy. And it had stayed there till 2016, when it was gradually hiked to the current 2.5% today.

    This interest rate hike, have resulted in foreign funds in emerging countries around the world, flowing back to the US to be invested in “risk free” instruments such as US Treasuries.

    Since January, foreign fund outflow from the KLSE alone amounted to RM9.8billion. Another RM3.7 billion, and we would break the record foreign fund outflow for KLSE set in 2009.

    Due to prolonged close to zero interest rates along with the USD being the reserve currency of the world, much of the debt worldwide is denominated in USD.

    With higher interest rates, along with the appreciation of the USD relative to other currencies due to the increased demand for USD (due to the higher interest rates), this will have resulted in much higher borrowing cost for many companies.

    Therefore, foreign companies with USD denominated debt will now be a lot more motivated about paying back the debt or speeding up the repayment schedule. And this creates even more demand for the USD and results in the currency rising which the further increase the debt, and thus further motivate repayment and repeats ad nauseum.

    To understand this a little better, you can read this.

    Demystifying the under-performance of the KLSE versus other markets (NASDAQ, S&P, SGX, NIKKEI etc)

This strong selling have resulted in equity valuations in emerging markets such as ours falling to unduly low levels. 

Ironically, it is this incredible cheapness now, that gives me the increased expectations for favourable returns in the years moving forward.


  1. The ongoing trade war between China and the US


One of the reason for the current market volatility and uncertainty is due to the ongoing trade war between China and the US.

Since 9 December 2018, the trade war has been put on pause for 90 days while negotiations continue, with the new deadline being 9 March 2019.

Being a small country wedged between two much larger powers, their actions towards each other will naturally influence us. However, to be honest, whether two elephants make love or war, the grass (Malaysia) is still going to be affected.

And personally, I don’t view this trade war as having particularly adverse effects, for Malaysia, and may even be beneficial to some extent, with production being moved out of China to markets such as Vietnam and Malaysia.

You can read some of my thoughts here.

Trade Wars, Bear Markets and Getting Trapped.


My thinking now is largely similar with my thinking then, when the article was written.


At the end of the day, this is a money problem. It is not an emotional, religious or race problem. Unlike the other types of problems which have no solutions, as no one can compromise without going to hell. Money problems have historically been solved relatively quickly.




  1. The victory of Pakatan Harapan in GE 14.


With the victory in GE 14 by Pakatan Harapan. Most of what is rotten in the Malaysian economy have been brought to light, and the smell from these festering wounds now reach the high heavens.


Given the amount of coverage given by the news towards these matters, I do think it is necessary to elaborate.


In the short term, markets are governed more by people’s perception of the economy instead of its actual health. And the public airing of these dirty laundry have certainly done no favours for the market in the short term.


Over the long term, however, I believe the Malaysian economy’s prospect have never been better. Now that these festering wounds, have been reopened, with painful but effective medication applied, the healing and subsequent vigour of the economy can now begin.


You can read about my in-depth thoughts on this matter here.

PH Win, I Called It!! Whats next?

The Malay Tsunami and the effects of elections on the economy (and by extensions, the market)



  1. Recession

One of the most common talk we see these days on financial news, is how a recession is imminent, and would likely occur in the next year or sooner.


The first question is then, as per the theory of reflexivity, the conditions of the market changes according the actions of the market participants.


If everyone is fearful, well in advance of any major and sudden changes in the economy, and thus become much more prudent in their actions, wouldn’t this reduce the probability of a recession happening?


The second question is this, if an economic crisis were to occur. Would holding cash be the correct move? What if the recession is inflationary and not deflationary? And thus, severely destroys the value of cash?


They are two kinds of recession (I’m generalizing heavily), the first being inflationary and the second deflationary.


Recessions often occur when the productivity per dollar borrowed is no longer higher than the principal and interest cost. This gives rise to a liquidity and equity crunch, when the profit from each dollar borrowed is not enough to cover the principal, or worse even the interest cost.


Since 1930, most recessions (other than those in Zimbabwe, Venezuela) etc have been deflationary. We are currently at a point where, there isn’t a single generation that does have lived through a depression or inflationary recession.


Thus far, most recessions since 1930 have been deflationary.

In this scenario, the country holds debt primarily denominated in their currency. In an economic downturn, when the country or companies are unable to pay back this debt, the central bank can just print money to purchase these debts. While the printing of money is inherently inflationary, it is counteracted by the forgiveness of debt and purchase of these debt by the central bank, which is deflationary.


The pain is therefore absorbed by the central bank to be spread out over a longer period.


An inflationary recession on the other hand, is when a country holds a lot of foreign debt, and in an economic downturn, they become unable to pay back these debts.


As the debt is in a foreign currency, they cannot print currency to buy over these debts or forgive it.


However, as the alternative of an instant and complete breakdown of the financial system is far worse, Central Banks will typically decide to print these currencies and try to purchase foreign currencies with it.


The incredible boost in supply, coupled with a low demand, due to the outflow of currency from its own citizens and foreign investors, as there is no longer any faith in the ability of the government to pay back its debts and back its currency, results in not just inflation, but hyperinflation.


Only those holding commodities or foreign currencies have good outcomes in times of hyperinflation. Equity holders do not do as well, but far better than cash holders.


Why all this talk about hyperinflation? Isn’t the US the largest economy in the world?


Well, in 2008, during the recession, what happened was relatively straight forward, the amount of money borrowed (with extremely lax standards) and invested into housing, gave returns far below the amount needed to cover even the interest cost, and thus resulted in a crash.


It also did not help that corporate debt and leverage were close to all time high. The US government had no choice but to make guarantees for money market funds, purchase toxic assets, and inject equity and liquidity via money printing by the Federal Reserve. The European Central Bank soon followed.


And china, the only country then with significant savings then, ploughed that money into supporting the economy. Even China is currently in debt.


What happened was debt that was in private hands, were passed into public hands globally, none more than what happened in 2008. And regardless of who is holding it, all debt must be paid.


These days, according to data by Bank for International Settlements, debt is losing its ability to stimulate growth. In 2017, one dollar of non-financial debt generated only 40 cents of GDP in the US and even less elsewhere. This is down from more than four dollars of growth for each dollar of debt 50 years ago.


This has significantly worsened over the last decade. China’s debt productivity dropped 42.9% between 2007 and 2017. That was the worst among major economies, but others lost ground, too. All the developed world is pushing on the same string and hoping for results like we saw 40–50 years ago.




The US Government is currently USD24.5 trillion in debt (both federal and state debt, not including off balance sheet items, unfunded pensions and social security which can easily add on another USD30-200 trillion, depending on who you ask ).


Refer to here.


17 Nobel Laurates on USD200 Trillion Deficit


The yearly US government deficit for 2018 is currently USD1.3 trillion (including off balance sheet items) and projected to rise USD1.5 trillion by 2028 by the Congressional Budget Office.


This projection appears to be highly optimistic as it assumes zero recession, and deficit projections by most people for 2019 appears to be USD1.5 trillion.


Interest expense on all these debt is currently $263 billion, or 1.4% of GDP. The Congressional Budget Office expects it will rise to $915 billion by 2028, or 3.1% of GDP.


From what we can see, the US will need to keep borrowing vast sums of money from the rest of the world via treasury bond sales to keep the government running.


And for the last few decades, given the US’s exorbitant privilege as the reserve currency in the world, they never had a problem when it comes to borrowing money.


Except, demand for increasingly large Treasury auctions have seem slowing demand. With both China and Japan not participating in the last auction.


In addition, due to the low interest rates of the last decade, as well as higher hedging cost, European, Chinese and Japanese investors can no longer buy US Treasury debt at a positive rate of return, unless they want to take currency risk, which most do not. This is a new development.


To borrow to more, the US government will likely need to offer increasingly higher interest rates. And as all the debt held by the US government is in USD with interest rates linked into US Federal Fund rates. Interest cost for the government will likely skyrocket, and thus require even more borrowing at higher interest cost, fuelling a vicious cycle.


In addition, as most of the debt held by corporate America have risen to USD 9.2 trillion in 2018, compared to USD 4.9 trillion in 2007 pre-crisis, due to the low interest rates. Things will likely turn out to be very interesting as all the interest cost of all these floating rate debt increase.


Who will save the US if the US can no longer save itself by selling debt at extremely cheap rates?


What would happen if countries and people stop believing in the US’s ability to pay back its debt and back its currency?


I’m leaning towards an inflationary kind of recession/depression, and in times like those, I would rather be holding equities than cash.



There is a saying by Warren Buffet I particularly enjoy,


“Forecasts may tell you a great deal about the forecaster; they tell you nothing about the future.”


My treatise on the economy above may at times border on the ramblings of an overactive and overanalytical mind.


After all, if you have an economist on your payroll, you probably have one staff to many.


Fortunately, as your fund manager, I do not invest based on my macroeconomic understanding and forecast, at best, I lean on it slightly.


If anything, the bearish market of 2018, and hopefully 2019 and 2020 are very good things for those such as us, who are likely to be long term buyer of stocks. It’s very simple, lower prices allow you to buy more stock.


Emotions, however, too often complicate the matter: Most people, including those who will be long term net buyers in the future, take comfort in seeing stock prices advance.


These people resemble a car driver who rejoices after the price of petrol increases, simply because his tank contains a week's supply.


Fear is the foe of the faddist, but the friend of the fundamentalist.


Given the long-term nature of the fund, our low leverage policy, our discipline in only investing in companies that meet our increasingly strict criteria’s, and ensuring that our investments are generally good to great businesses with good capital structure that won’t go bust in the trough and bounce back fantastically when things turn around. It makes me optimistic for the years and years ahead.


Overall, as your fund manager, I remain grateful for your support, and will continue working hard to continue to merit your confidence.


The current shareholding of the fund is as follows.


































































Fund Performance To Date




Fund Returns



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2019 will be better i believe...if u cant do well in 2019 then yr 3 years result will be worse than fd n yr piggy banks will pecah

2018-12-30 08:32


Just wonder u hv how many years of experience in stock mkt prior to this so called fund managements in was yr track record then until u built yr confidence to establish yr funds in 2017?

2018-12-30 08:35


Using a simple calculation yr return todate is -5.73...basing on fd rate of 4% per year (4%×3 years= 12%) u hv to score 17% return in 2019 to be on par to it....

Even so then whats the purpose? Better put yr money into fd n get a full time job...yr return will be much better

2018-12-30 08:41


Bwtter put need keep worry.

2018-12-30 09:16

Choivo Capital

Haha Charles,

Tks for your concern. I work full time.

My record before 2017 was pretty ok, but it was only for a year and i didnt track it.

FD just does not make sense to me tbh. Hold PetronM or hold FD. Its pretty clear to me.

If it wants to go down another 18% in 2019, so be it. I know what im buying, ill just buy more on the way down.

I told myself ill be putting my money to work for at least 5 years. If i cant get good returns in 5 years (Beat index as well as positive), I'll just throw it all into china index and forget about it.

2018-12-30 09:39


Hi Choivo, with new petrol price mechanism starting 2019, how do u see effect to petron, hy and petdag?

2018-12-30 09:48


My friend who is a public mutual agent showed their 5 years or 10 years return chart (vs epf div) i also dare not buy

2018-12-30 09:48


Meaning to say u only hv 1 year experience (with yr claimed good return) in 2016 prior to yr fund management service in 2017

Yr friends/ investors r very brave loh

2018-12-30 09:52


U lagi brave loh

2018-12-30 09:52


So now hv to break piggy banks loh

2018-12-30 09:53


What gives yr the confidence that u can hv a fund management, after 1 year record n experience in bursa?

2018-12-30 10:01

Choivo Capital


I have made it clear many times, that this is a test run. If i was running a proper fund, the size of outsiders compared to my equity in fund would be many times larger.

This fund is for me to establish a verifiable track record with third parties. Which is why guarantee portion is only 40% of my own equity. Or about 30% or less of the whole fund.

I can settle it now if need be.

They are not so much brave. But they believe in my ability to pay back their capital with interest if things don't work out. I have relatively strong earning power after all. The total fund owed to them, is about 6-7 month salary, and my monthly savings easily exceed 80%.

Also, they do understand the philosophy. Whenever someone is worried. I just provide the list of stocks held, and let them decide themselves if i'm stupid or market is just being foolish.

I have always made it clear to them, if they do not understand my philosophy or believe in my ability, feel free to sell back their units to me at the end of maturity date.

Its not confidence that drives to me open this fund. But curiosity. I have a good feeling about my ability, but i can't know until 5-10 years have passed and my track record shown.

2018-12-30 10:11

Choivo Capital

Its not a concern.

Posted by tm9999 > Dec 30, 2018 09:48 AM | Report Abuse

Hi Choivo, with new petrol price mechanism starting 2019, how do u see effect to petron, hy and petdag?

2018-12-30 10:12

KLCI Going Heaven

hahah waddup idiot !

2018-12-30 10:12


So yr investors believes more on yr ability to pay them yr guaranteed returns n capital than yr investment skills?

2018-12-30 10:16


They know yr parrents got big house in bukit jelutong...cannot run away...

2018-12-30 10:17


Keep up the good work
I enjoy reading your escapades
Good luck
Uncle BB

2018-12-30 10:19

Choivo Capital

To even invest with me, you need to first believe in my ability to pay back. If you don't believe this but still invest, then you must be really really brave.

In some cases, We have known each other for decades. We know where each other live haha.

For them, it's simple. Put in fd or invest with me and get guaranteed higher than fd rate, plus whatever else depending on my ability.

2018-12-30 10:22


Why i in mkt for so many years with track records also so coward leh

2018-12-30 10:27

Haw Liao

in life, only guarantee is life and death...

other than that, no guarantee...including your investments

2018-12-30 10:40


Wah Choivo boy, out to con people again? . U chg name, used to Jon Choivo who called the lousy Prolexus, ask ppl to buy RM1.40... What happen? I think Prolexus is 50+ sens. U still holding? Talk lots of nonsense to bluff people

apa mau lagi? follow ur lame unit trust that is down 17% this year? con people to buy ur unit trust scheme like money game?

2018-12-30 10:58


I remember Choivo con guru attack Tradeview bro call QL at RM3.5. U insult Tradeview all the time like stalker! I think u shud insult more than every time u insult Tradeview stock fly! hahahaha. I learn from Tradeview bro for 2+ yrs, I enter QL RM3.5 sold RM7 in 1 year. Pls dont be a faker ok? bad karma, later ur unit trust all lose money.

2018-12-30 11:00


Haha charles! One needle saw blood!

2018-12-30 11:20


Charles is the best member i3 can have. Very outspoken, honest and straight to the point. No politically correct or diplomatic statements. Sometimes, i3 members are living in their own bubble. eg. CP Teh. We are here to poke the bubble and knock some sense into their head

2018-12-30 11:21


I am a practical man.This choivo kid writes an article every other day.Any one seen him give a good stock call before?Hey kid,there is a saying..."you are only as good as your last call".And you did not even make a single call.Everyday blah blah blah.....fighting a war on paper....come back here in 5 yrs lah.

2018-12-30 12:30


Many big timers have already close shop after these 3 months.But this choivo is still blahing away.Either you are super good,better than OTB or your position is so small that even klci drop to 800 you will still be ok.I believe the latter scenario.

2018-12-30 12:34


In other words,you choivo is just a peanut.That speaks volume of your ability in stock picking.

2018-12-30 12:36

Choivo Capital

Thanks for the reminder, its important to rub our own mistakes in our noses often, to reduce them in the future.

But i don't think you have the kind of mind needed to criticize me properly. Allow me to help you.

I go into my many mistakes here. Study them and maybe you will be able to criticize me better.

I wish you the best. The better you are at criticizing me, the lower my probability of making mistakes

zhangliang Wah Choivo boy, out to con people again? . U chg name, used to Jon Choivo who called the lousy Prolexus, ask ppl to buy RM1.40... What happen? I think Prolexus is 50+ sens. U still holding? Talk lots of nonsense to bluff people

apa mau lagi? follow ur lame unit trust that is down 17% this year? con people to buy ur unit trust scheme like money game?
30/12/2018 10:58

zhangliang I remember Choivo con guru attack Tradeview bro call QL at RM3.5. U insult Tradeview all the time like stalker! I think u shud insult more than every time u insult Tradeview stock fly! hahahaha. I learn from Tradeview bro for 2+ yrs, I enter QL RM3.5 sold RM7 in 1 year. Pls dont be a faker ok? bad karma, later ur unit trust all lose money.
30/12/2018 11:00

2018-12-30 13:18

Choivo Capital

On QL, people said the same about MYEG.

So many people felt so brilliant for so long, until May this year.

You bought a 30PE stock that went up to 60PE.

Every fool has his day.

2018-12-30 13:22

Choivo Capital

Judging by how your talk. My portfolio size is probably larger than yours.

I write about companies and you can see how they turn out.

I don't write about my favorites, unless i absolutely have to, or where it will not hurt me in terms of higher purchase cost, because good ideas are rare.

This kind of thinking however, is not shared in this forum which consist mainly of pump and dump-ers.

Apabagus I am a practical man.This choivo kid writes an article every other day.Any one seen him give a good stock call before?Hey kid,there is a saying..."you are only as good as your last call".And you did not even make a single call.Everyday blah blah blah.....fighting a war on paper....come back here in 5 yrs lah.
30/12/2018 12:30

Apabagus Many big timers have already close shop after these 3 months.But this choivo is still blahing away.Either you are super good,better than OTB or your position is so small that even klci drop to 800 you will still be ok.I believe the latter scenario.
30/12/2018 12:34

2018-12-30 13:24


y Choivo Capital > Dec 30, 2018 01:24 PM | Report Abuse

Judging by how your talk. My portfolio size is probably larger than yours.
choivo...your portfolio size so what?

Tabung Haji has great portfolio size....lose more only.....

2018-12-30 13:29

Choivo Capital

Aih, that was rude, shouldn't have said that.

Thankfully, not yet new year, so technically didn't break my resolution.

2018-12-30 13:47


my opinion...choivo...u no better, no worse than any educated person first come to stock market......armed with a few soft cover investment books one can get from any book store.....

but that long number guy....I like him, I really do....he knows his stuff.

2018-12-30 13:52

Choivo Capital


I don't think of you.

2018-12-30 13:52


Jon Choivo, you are still young. This is the time when you should focus on your career instead of the stock market. 40-50+ years old uncle like us punting in the market is ok lah. But you have a bright future, dont waste it gambling on stocks. I have seen many young people in their 20s making only rm3-4k monthly salary and lose focus in their full time job because of stock gambling. The real successful young people I have seen are fully focused on their full time job earning 5 or 6 figures per month.

2018-12-30 13:58

Haw Liao

anyways sifus and sages...

dedicate this song to u...

2018-12-30 15:19



Your fund is holding 28 companies ?

is that too many? Can share what is the top 5 companies ? hehe

2018-12-30 20:45


if you are smart enough

you can excel both in share investment and career as well

plan your time , invest in good, strong , you understand biz for long term and work smart for your career

2018-12-30 21:02


May I say something, I think Jon is a very good writer and a clear thinker. He regurgitates Buffet a bit too much but it's normal in the journey to becoming an expert fund manager. You start by imitating the best, then slowly you learn from experience and you apply your own independent thoughts shaped by the realities of investing in Malaysia.

Anyway, good luck to everyone for 2019!

2018-12-31 00:26


Damn bloody long article. Talk mountain talk sea. At the end don't know what is the actionable item

2018-12-31 16:35


Talk cock only lah.

Icon8888 > Dec 31, 2018 04:35 PM | Report Abuse

Damn bloody long article. Talk mountain talk sea. At the end don't know what is the actionable item

2018-12-31 17:13


Paralysed when challenged to give only one call.

2018-12-31 17:14


icon....visit QL forum.....

long number guy very very good....puts young man in his place.

2018-12-31 17:15

Choivo Capital


RM5k, and i'll give you a call.

RM10k, ill give you a deal, and tell you 3.

With full research. That does not consist of copy and past from ar and quarterly.

2018-12-31 17:17


icon....visit QL forum.....

long number guy very very good....puts young man in his place.

first time I have seen some one in i3.....what I was writing about for 3 years.....and put in a few pages...and actually practises it....

I am a trader...I can only write, I cannot practise.

2018-12-31 17:18

Choivo Capital


Its a letter to my investors.

Not to goreng stock. Very different.

2018-12-31 17:18


young turk trying to gain attention of big fish like kyy,kesian you lil kampung boy,u dunno how huge the ocean is...hahahahaha

2018-12-31 17:22


Looking at the comments here, I realize that I have been too harsh on this choivo, being quite upset with his holier and smarter than thou attitude for someone who seemed to so knowledgeable but only started learning about investing recently.

I apologize sincerely and will stop bringing you down in front of your future clients.

I hope you do well in 2019 as I know it is difficult to keep your hopes up and your chin straight when the chips are down and everyone is crying for your blood and making fun of your investing skills.

But if you will hear out an old man, my advice will be to you:
1) listen and read more than you speak, as others might have opinions and ideas of worth, but useless to you if you do not take it in, analyze it and understand it.
2) try to trim your fund down to manageable levels, as you can never keep track and understand each stock deeply enough. I think you probably cant remember who the ceo's of each company are and what their philosophy or characters are like without referring to google.

and if you think if details like this is unimportant, let me ask you this:

if you could only buy 1 stock for 10 years, and you had to top up every quarter for that 10 years, what extra edge in information do you need to keep up an open mind to continue investing through rain and shine? Is reading financial reports, quarterly reports, stock price movement enough? Is going to i3 forum for bias confirmation enough? Because that is what everyone else is doing. Do you see them doing well? Minimal effort gets you minimal results.

zhangliang doubled his money in 1 years, and yet he sold. where does he get his conviction to buy and sell?

I bought QL in 2009, topped up every quarter, and never sold even until today. Where did I get my conviction to buy and not sell even until today?

That comes from reading every possible detail from every possible source, visiting sites, going to agms, talking to competitors, talking to suppliers, reading market journals, reading orderbooks, reading third party ctos reports,talking to bank managers, reading on capital allocation reports, loan interest rates, reading fund manager analysis, reading reading reading. All over a 9 year period.

I have a feeling that I spend more time trying to understand 1 stock than you do trying to understand 28 stocks in your portfolio. I hope you get what I mean after all this rambling, without the pretty pictures.


I hope for you the best for 2019, and good luck!

2019-01-03 14:58

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