Icon8888 Gossips About Stocks
(Icon) Who Make Money, Who Lose Money From My Stock Calls ?
1. Introduction
I missed those days when I can blog about anything without attracting too much attention. Recently, my blog articles are quite popular. Not only that, sometime they will have impact on share price.
Of course, this wide acceptance by readers delighted me. However, the enthusiastic response also make me feel uneasy. Who actually make money from my stock calls ? If they make money, where does the money come from ? Who lose money ?
The ojective of this article is to explore those issues.
2. Who Wins, Who Loses
When I publish an article, some readers will read it first, some will read later. The early birds will be able to buy cheaper. The latecomer more expensive.
However, that is not meant to be the final outcome.
As most of my readers would have noticed, same like Uncle Koon, I like stocks that have earnings growth potential (the faster the better). Some might have bought the stocks cheaper, some more expensive, but everyody is supposed to win over the long run when the company's earnings indeed grow as predicted.
Rising water lifts all boats.
For example : I first wrote about Poh Huat at the end of 2014 when it was trading around RM1.40. Some of my readers bought at let's say, RM1.45, some bought at let's say, RM1.56.
However, fast forward twelve months, Poh Huat is now trading at almost RM4.30, a gain of 187% (RM1.90 x 2 + RM1.00 x 0.5). When we look back, it doesn't really matter whether your entry point is RM1.45 or RM1.56. All who bought at that level will have made a lot of money.
But in finance, there is no free lunch. If somebody in i3 wrote about a stock and ALL his readers make money, who lose out ? Where does the money come from ?
The answer for the above question can be very long winded and complicated. To make it easy to understand, I would say that non i3 members lose out to i3 members (on Poh Huat, for discussion sake).
i3 members gain because they are early birds.
THAT, is the whole idea of us sharing information in i3. By congregating in this forum, we try to pool our wisdom to gain an edge over everybody else in the market.
Forum members gain from my articles, but I also gain from their inputs, leads and expert opinions. Everybody in i3 wins (unless you play T+3, ha ha).
(Actually, the non i3 members also do not lose out. Stock market is not a zero sum game. As Poh Huat grows, they make tonnes of money as well. Where does the money come from ? They probabaly come from funds outflow from out of favor stocks such as those in oil and gas and property industry. Most of the time, it is just money sloshing around, folks...)
3. Tickets To Holland
Before I finish off this article, I would like to take the opportunity to caution my readers that they should not blindly take position based on what I wrote.
My articles should be treated as a rich source of information, not a definitive guide to Buy or Sell.
To be fair, I would say that my rate of success for stock picking in i3 is reasonable. But sometime I also got burnt. This is not surprising at all. All my analysis is based on public sources and I don't have any information advantage against other market players. There is limitation on how accurate my view can be.
Buy at own risk.
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Continuously remind readers to aware of their own responsibility for any buy and sell decision. Tq
2016-01-17 11:54
That's fair enough, we win some lost a little. Icon8888 article is always inspiring. One thing should highly pay attention is the global economy are very volatility, infact they are likely to be down trending; so, taki it as a opportunity ; taking position in stages, protect your profit; carefully do your stock selection. I'm lucky to have most senior hear to share their view I. I3 ; especially Icon8888 . So, pls read every detail bfor making decisions. Good luck and cautious trading on 2016.
2016-01-17 12:10
Thank you for writing and sharing info. I learned plenty from your work. My only gripe with you is that you publish too fast hahaha. Sometimes I am eyeing the same stock that you are eyeing but the speed at which you publish your work invites more competition. Anyway, I'm never the one who complains about competition. Kudos to the work you have done, the speed at which you push out your articles indicates that you are not only selfless in sharing, but also a serious investor.
2016-01-17 12:27
soojinhou, u don't pull my legs lah. I read your TGuan and SAM research articles. They are first class material. You are my sifu, don't play play...
anyway thank you for your support... ha ha
2016-01-17 12:41
thanks Duit, agree with you on ignoring foes.
I am Thomas the Choo Choo Train. I chug along, nobody can stop me.. choo choo...
2016-01-17 12:48
Like this golden word: Rising water ( Dollar appreciation ) lift all boats ( export shares ). Any sign of water receeding? what next? Cheers Icon8888 and Happy Sunday!!!
2016-01-17 12:59
A top10 fr9m bott9m will wanna advise PPL? What a low life character again.
2016-01-17 13:46
"Who Make Money, Who Lose Money From My Stock Calls?" I like this topic, because i have a very classic example to share on Johotin-wa, i buy at 0.16 (i make money), Optimus buy at 0.8 (optimus lose money).
When Icon recommended this stock, not many ppl are interested, i can remember only me and murali is actively buying especially the warrant below 0.2, when the price start to go up, i topped up again @ 0.27, price continue to go up, until Optimus can not tahan, he finally bought above 0.8.......
2016-01-17 13:46
LOL, office life is very boring, here in i3, can make money, can street fight, can watch ppl fight, so interesting, everyday also got show
2016-01-17 13:56
lol, do simply quit lah, full time trader is quite stressful also especially when you lose money like optimus
2016-01-17 14:14
all the examples given happen before my time and is for your fans. Nothing to do with me.
but just a quote from me........
I always say that experts have to be more careful more diligent, non experts and young girls can say any thing they like. This is after all a public forum.
In my time, you have failed the care and diligent test.
2016-01-17 14:31
Ha ha ha Desa, welcome to i3, it has always been like that, fight fight fight
I have been fighting since day one
Ask tkp2, he and me graduated same time from Optimus Academy of Cyber Battle
(the 2 in tkp2 is a badge of honor, this is because tkp has been banned by admin for attacking jiasaimouse)
Your little attack is nothing compared to our previous battles of the Galaxy LOL
2016-01-17 14:40
So true, from what i understand, Icon still have a lot reservation, he not even use any of his weapon yet, but for Desa, i don't think Icon need any weapon at all, just sliva will do.
BTW, let me remind you, the Optimus i mentioned above, used to bad mouth stock pick, but end of the day, he quietly buy Johotin-wa above 0.8, and get burnt, bad karma, so, don't fall into the same situation.
2016-01-17 15:00
Last time tkp2 also like me, behave like a lanchai and gun battled on the street
But last year he made 500% return， he mellow down a lot
Nowadays he chauffeured around in his E Class and seldom speak out
I will do that also when my portfolio increase 500% LOL
stoopeed Desa thought he damn good after reading few investment books, in chinese we call this "never seen big snake pee pee before" LOL
2016-01-17 15:05
LOL, this kid a lot like paperplane, make RM700 want to let the whole world know, long way to go.
2016-01-17 15:10
i think ICON/tkp teamup not needed this time, this kid just a little pui pui will do.
2016-01-17 15:12
I still fondly remember how tkp and icon teamed up to knock out kick boxing champion optimus prime in the toilet LOL
2016-01-17 15:15
tkp 500%, not me
His bintai warrants and johotin wa seal the victory
Johotin WA up from 16 sen to 80 sen
Not few lots, three lorries
2016-01-17 15:20
successful people like tkp no talk 3 talk 4
This Desa made few hundred ringgit came lecture us about stocks
pui
2016-01-17 15:22
i waiting famous bloggers to gives out sell call's on all their buy call's.
2016-01-17 19:29
Losses borne by institutional investors (EPF) and uncles / aunties like me - lose-lose :(
2016-01-18 10:23
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2016-01-17 10:30