Posted by lotsofmoney > 2013-03-05 10:07 | Report Abuse

No point negotiate with a bunch of uncivilized terrorists who only recognize submission through brutal force. Just finish them off and be done with it.

Posted by andychucky28 > 2013-03-05 10:08 | Report Abuse

this is going to be a long battle. those Suluks are already among the Sabahans.

Posted by Desmond Liew > 2013-03-05 10:11 | Report Abuse

if the ic issue is real, there is no chance to chase them out now or before ge13. Remember they are entitled to vote & their votes are very important if the ic issue is real.. But after ge13, then it is different story to tell...

Posted by tommylou > 2013-03-05 10:14 | Report Abuse

Desmond, the project ic or project Mahathir is real......

Posted by tommylou > 2013-03-05 10:20 | Report Abuse

Megat Junid was the man to carry out in the late 80s and 90

Posted by bingo > 2013-03-05 10:31 | Report Abuse

Every problem in Malaysia also blame it on Anwar,next they will blame Anwar for the fall of the share index.The Sulu Sultanate has denied links to the opposition in Malaysia!

see the picture to see the denial..

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/3198/blame.png

Posted by iafx > 2013-03-05 10:32 | Report Abuse

bn defer ge13 to the very last moment thought of showing the result of transformation (a.k.a capability of bn gov). this sulu invasion incident has indeed greatly impact their ge13 plan. in order to win back the trust, the gov must now act fast (accurate) and swift (complete, no more half boiled egg).

polis should go back to the street and sweep those giving supports to the insurgent, potentially highly dangerous small armed group.

the operation is targetting insurgent. illegal immigrant is a long standing issue NOT only in sabah but also west m'sia. prog ic is juz one of it - the root cause of all - corruption.

Posted by Namoyaki Takarajima > 2013-03-05 10:35 | Report Abuse

SIMPLE ANALOGY:
1. If The Lanun SULU are not Philipinos; They are The Intruders/The Terrorist to Malaysia.

2. If The Lanun SULU are combined with the Sabahan who has got an IC; then The Sabahan are The Betrayer to their own mother land, Malaysia.

3. If The Lanun SULU had attacked Sabah, Malaysia without their real Sultan of Sulu approval; then they are The Betrayer and 'MENDERHAKA' to their very own Sultan of SULU.

4. INFO: Kiram iii; The one who launched the attack to Sabah is NOT the Real Sultan of SULU. The Real Sultan of Sulu is Tuanku Datu Mudarasulail

Ref 1: Titah Baginda Sultan Sulu, Tuanku Datu Mudarasulail Kiram. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WKnIFwZyTDA

Ref 1: The Sultan of Sulu Website
http://www.royalsultanateofsulu.org/#!

Posted by iafx > 2013-03-05 10:40 | Report Abuse

fortunately, all of msia sultans r real. btw, have they say anything lately for the belove country, ppl and troops? bet they love this country XD

Posted by Namoyaki Takarajima > 2013-03-05 10:50 | Report Abuse

The Malaysian Sultanate System are Smart. The rotation of Yang Dipertuan Agung have gave the chance of each Sultan to become The King of Malaysia.

Unlike SULU Sultanate, so many king's descendant want to claim as Sultan and King. So there goes Kiram The 3rd, who wants to claim Sabah. But the real (Current) Sultan of SULU (Kiram 1) said different things which he said:
"instead of claiming or attacking Sabah, why don't we look at our very own SULU land which need to be develop, why must we attack Sabah?" (VIDEO) Ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WKnIFwZyTDA

That is the good spirit of Muslim's SULTAN, no war, no blood, no killing, no tears (unless other people attacked your mother land).

Posted by iafx > 2013-03-05 11:07 | Report Abuse

ohh... talking about sulu island, if they have thought about it at all, it is such a beautiful place for tourism. sipatan just a small dot already world #3 diving spot

however, some of them has chosen to be wild and cruel, ignoring the fact that sabah has provided them $, job, hospitality, water/electric, school etc ... muslim brotherhood? wake up! law & religious cannot mixed

Posted by iafx > 2013-03-05 11:14 | Report Abuse

latest update said ground troops have fought into k.tanduo. great job!

Posted by minitrader > 2013-03-05 11:19 | Report Abuse

Posted by lotsofmoney > Mar 5, 2013 10:07 AM | Report Abuse

No point negotiate with a bunch of uncivilized terrorists who only recognize submission through brutal force. Just finish them off and be done with it.
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Can't agree more. Whack them out once and for all...

Posted by Namoyaki Takarajima > 2013-03-05 11:24 | Report Abuse

AGREED with iafx & minitrader. Our Market are quite affected by The SULU Terrorist attacked.

Posted by iafx > 2013-03-05 11:30 | Report Abuse

the most difficult moment will be sulus turn into small groups ... hope their plan is all up for this expected scenario, working hand-in-hand

market sentiment will be good should the operation is a successful one

Posted by minitrader > 2013-03-05 11:32 | Report Abuse

We must get rid them once and for all. Everyone is affected one way or the other. My fear is the aftermath of the exercise even though our armed forces manage to eliminate them...revenge by families/descendants of the insurgents.

Posted by tommylou > 2013-03-05 11:32 | Report Abuse

Iafx, sentiments are easily provoked. Imagine if you as Malaysian, are called upon to defend your race or your religion, and you don not have readily info! What would you do?
Truly I don't think you can blame them 100% because they are lowly educated and are brought up in tough environment where friend and family are their greatest exposure. Litlle or no access to Internet or information are all hear say, they will definitely retaliate.

I don't know if the tribesman in Sabah apart from being given ic , are they given education?

If so do we blame them or the ones who allow them in with open arms when the powers to be needed them but now they have become rogue and collateral damage?

In my opinion the problem should be squarely blamed on the govt for not taking action earlier to control the influx even much before this incident happen.......

Posted by Desmond Liew > 2013-03-05 11:44 | Report Abuse

Copy & paste from bloggers,,,

Leader Abjimuddin said his group could not yet determine if the bombs were meant to target them or their followers, but they remained safe and secure and were ready to fight back.

Meanwhile in Manila, a group of protesters have arrived at the Malaysia embassy to condemn the attack.

Earlier at 10.15am: Abjimuddin, leader of the intruders, vented his anger at the Philippine government in a radio interview with InterAksyon.com, the online news portal of Philippine TV channel TV5.

“The government is ordering the arrest of our companions even if we haven’t done anything bad,” he said. “It’s like we aren’t Filipinos.”

Meanwhile, Abraham Idjarani, spokesperson of the sultanate, tells radio station dzBB that Abjimuddin had phoned to inform them of the start of the assault.

Posted by Desmond Liew > 2013-03-05 11:45 | Report Abuse

They entered illegally with combat arms but still said they did nothing wrong... Our arm forces should get rid of anyone who carry combat arms entering our land illegally..

Posted by tommylou > 2013-03-05 11:50 | Report Abuse

They the sulu army already vindicated themselves from absolute wrong.....now they will use that as a courage badge to kill.....

I believe they will cool down a bit after the air raid ....this is usually the case when someone shows their might....But why only now, the 6 death amongst our commandos could have been avoided with and earlier stomping!

Posted by iafx > 2013-03-05 11:55 | Report Abuse

minitrader, put it this way, revenge or no revenge, sulus (and they r not alone!) r taking advantage of m'sia. it's nature fact that the strong will prevail. this is the moment m'sia to demonstrate toughness, incl the ability to tackle so call "revenge".

tommy, they r not as sincere or "plain" as u might thought. with m'sia ic they r entitled everything juz as an ordinary m'sian. they will weigh either being a decent msian, or go back to bushes. u bet they will stay, but they will not be royal - this is one fact m'sia policy maker must understand - don't rise a tiger that will eventually bite back - don't mix religious with policy

Posted by KC Loh > 2013-03-05 11:58 | Report Abuse

Now the question is, was the sulu intrusion trumped up to get sabahans, even Malaysians, riled up with the suluks holding IC as well as the project IC issue?

Still, we need to find out why anwar and Jeffrey was in sulu in november, to talk to another group not recognised by the Filipino govt, and having the Phil press and even reuters suggesting opposition hands involved? And seriously, why Anwar is not taking them to court in the Philippines?

As for what the sulu sultanate is saying, after reading how his daughter lied with fake Thai photos, I won't take him seriously. Afterall, in the photo he was seen with Anwar, which the international press caught on! Fortunately, another group in sulu offered to mediate. From there I gathered they came in to ask for rent increase. That was the whole motive! But why now? Why when autonomy was raised and the tiff between Jeffrey and Anwar was ongoing?

Posted by tommylou > 2013-03-05 12:00 | Report Abuse

I like this caption taken from FMT



"When the sovereignty of the country is threatened, the man who should take centre stage other than the prime minister is the defence minister. Ahmad Zahid Hamidi should be in the thick of action but this defence minister was playing a bit role. Was he peeved that the army was reportedly sidelined? Is there a “turf war” between his ministry and the home ministry? Zahid was ready to call out the army to crush civilian protests, but did not move heaven and earth to dislodge the real enemies in our home."

Posted by Desmond Liew > 2013-03-05 12:03 | Report Abuse

agreed with iafx..

Posted by tommylou > 2013-03-05 12:04 | Report Abuse

When war still got time to push responsibility among the ministry.......

There should be an investigation into where the chain of command broke down. If this was because the PM intervene to make decision when the war broke out then be it he should take the wrap......

Posted by tommylou > 2013-03-05 12:07 | Report Abuse

Errr I mean rap....but wrap also sounds right.......bungkus right? Hahahaha

Posted by iafx > 2013-03-05 12:08 | Report Abuse

maybe, if v can whack the intruders so bad that they will tell the truth in exchange of cease fire, v may know the person behind. sulus r human also yeah, they have plenty of weaknesses, too.

for now, fear r everywhere in the area, this is the time polis MUST demonstrate their ability in executing law & order, they should be seen at all busy area (don't sit in the office no more), small teams of tactical team r ready to fight street battle (worst case scenario). if they can do this, sabahan will gain confident and will not fear of retaliation, rather it will be sulus that begin to fear.

Posted by Desmond Liew > 2013-03-05 12:11 | Report Abuse

see if those guys can enter USA with combat arms or not? I think the moment they step on the land, they are killed or arrested already ..

Posted by tommylou > 2013-03-05 12:11 | Report Abuse

Iafx, the intruder we whack are just going to be followers who are not in the know......catch the brother and we will know what they are here for......riches....but not know the real reason but if you catch the Sultan Kiram we may know the actual reason......

Posted by Mat Cendana > 2013-03-05 12:18 | Report Abuse

Been on the minds of most of us since last week at least. Even in this situation, Malaysia is still being very considerate...still giving the intruders the chance to come out alive to avoid further bloodshed on both sides. This Kiram - it's so convenient for him... his bingai followers doing all the dying while he cowardly stays away. This is just a wannabe extortionist - he was trying to extract something from Malaysia for his own personal benefits. Well, if we give in to his demands, others will come in with all sorts of claims. Some guy in a remote village somewhere in Minangkabau might claim the whole of Negeri Sembilan is actually his. SORRY! If you come in to our country with weapons, if you break the laws, then you'll just have to pay for it.

Posted by Namoyaki Takarajima > 2013-03-05 12:20 | Report Abuse

The main question now is:
Who sponsor and support KIRAM iii army? KIRAM iii did not have that much money to buy speed boat and heavy cavalry weapon for his army. Who is 'The War Lord' wannabe? KIRAM iii?

Posted by Buy & Sell Sell & Buy > 2013-03-05 12:23 | Report Abuse

Oleh Ida LimKUALA LUMPUR, 4 Mac - Pemerhati melihat pencerobohan Sabah oleh kumpulan bersenjata Sulu bahawa “Projek IC” kembali menghantui Malaysia, sementara seorang ahli akademik berkata tuntutan seorang yang mendakwa dirinya Sultan Sulu adalah tidak adil untuk rakyat Sabah.Pemerhati diminta memberi komen terhadap “Projek IC”, iaitu pendatang asing didakwa menerima kewarganegaraan tanpa mengikut undang-undang, yang kini sedang disiasat dalam inkuiri Suruhanjaya Siasatan Di Raja (RCI).Apabila ditanya tentang hubungan “Projek IC” dengan ketegangan di Sabah, penulis Karim Raslan berkata, “aspek hitam” kini sudah mula didedahkan.“Krisis yang berlaku ini menunjukkan terdapat aspek hitam dalam operasi rahsia (Projek IC) dalam memberi kewarganegaraan kepada pendatang asing.”“Kita perlu bertanya pada diri sendiri siapa dibelakang Projek IC ini?” kata Karim lagi.Apabila ditanya apa yang perlu dilakukan, Karim berkata: “Kita perlu menyiasat butiran tentang bagaimana (Projek IC) dijalankan, dan membawa mereka yang bertanggungjawab ke muka pengadilan.

Posted by KC Loh > 2013-03-05 12:23 | Report Abuse

Don't forget some Filipino elite in their congress have vested interest too! Aquino is not the most popular president among them! I heard the only president who wore bullet proof vest in his inauguration. They may also be the backers other than Americans! :)

Posted by tommylou > 2013-03-05 12:26 | Report Abuse

SOmebody told me Sultan Kiram will be very rich after this......because both sides of our political divide will pay him to point his fingers.......this will be big enough for BIG money as Sabah will determine the winner

Posted by iafx > 2013-03-05 12:27 | Report Abuse

tommy, yeah ... having say this, if our law & order is executed in a proper manner, insider will not find an opportunity as easy as this one, right? that's how U.S been fighting all over the globe with extremist, yet they never fear of retaliation.

therefore, while it is important to search for this culprit, but if the overall system is not fixed, there will another culprit like this, casualty will continue... and possibly even bigger case

the next leader of m'sia that will be remembered forever will be the one who can truly fight corruption

Posted by KC Loh > 2013-03-05 12:30 | Report Abuse

Haha Tommy, I like your last post

Posted by bingo > 2013-03-05 12:48 | Report Abuse

Najib, Mahathir failed us’
Joseph Bingkasan
| March 5, 2013

A former Sabah Barisan Nasional MP has slammed Mahathir for his sudden contradictory 'Muslims don't shoot Muslims' stand.

KOTA KINABALU: A Sabah MP has criticised former prime minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad’s statement that the Malaysian armed forces did not take action against the intruders from the Philippines because the militants were Muslims and that “Muslims don’t shoot fellow Muslims.”


read more here please....

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2013/03/05/najib-mahathir-failed-us/

Posted by bingo > 2013-03-05 12:51 | Report Abuse

Accuse who now????

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3407/nameds.png

Posted by Buy & Sell Sell & Buy > 2013-03-05 12:53 | Report Abuse

Yeah, Tommy a good possible conjecture. Both of them can pay him to gain political mileage in Msia.

Posted by KC Loh > 2013-03-05 13:01 | Report Abuse

Hahaha "what he heard" now? Earlier report had him as saying it as quoted in Philippines press, no? Fast turning out to be a farce.

The thing I am wondering is, did they or did they not made a statement they held our civilian hostage, which incidental also came from Philippines media if I am not mistaken! Our Govt did not answer as its not Govt-to-Govt protocol! Dunno, I still see what his princess did more in line of pressuring Aquino now more and more using Malaysia as a bait! Remember, Philippines also have election coming! If it is true, I wish they could send the black ops rambo commandos to kidnap him and bring him here to face justice! I have every confidence in them now doing this mossad stunt :)

Posted by KC Loh > 2013-03-05 13:57 | Report Abuse

hard to believe is sandiwara if Philippines side reports like this, and quote

"In the phone call, Najib explained that with the loss of Malaysian lives, the Sulu Sultan's followers have crosse a line and with it, the possibility of negotiation has disappeared."

Source : http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/297643/news/nation/pnoy-denounces-unnamed-critics-who-conspired-to-create-sabah-crisis

i still may be wrong, but from where i stand, its getting to be more and more a Philippines nonsense to begin with!

Posted by KC Loh > 2013-03-05 14:11 | Report Abuse

here's one more, but i cannot verify the link yet! waiting an admin to give it to me!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xuy4r0b8wh9dpxv/482320_10151360686793751_932364848_n.jpg?m

Posted by KC Loh > 2013-03-05 14:30 | Report Abuse

another one from another source: https://www.dropbox.com/s/l94r3anxydsehah/1046_579476528731687_1847136684_n.jpg?m

must be true then! whatever it is, i think BN is lucky this explodes now when it does. Tide turning

Posted by Buy & Sell Sell & Buy > 2013-03-05 14:42 | Report Abuse

Posted by tommylou > Mar 5, 2013 12:26 PM | Report Abuse SOmebody told me Sultan Kiram will be very rich after this......because both sides of our political divide will pay him to point his fingers.......this will be big enough for BIG money as Sabah will determine the winner


On 2nd thought, whic ever side in msia can tender d highest monies to Sul Kiram will get his revealations in favour of the highest bidder. But the party which wins d GE 13 using this dirty trick, will hav to pay increasing amount of money forever to Sul Kiram to keep this secret forever from being reveal to Msian. l personally wont advocate both side to do it, considering Sul Kiram will always has the upper hand after this deal is done.

Posted by KC Loh > 2013-03-05 14:44 | Report Abuse

but a hung parliament will be an entirely new question altogether! :(

Posted by pyramidpoh > 2013-03-05 14:48 | Report Abuse

Tide turning Malaysia should win this mission to expel all the Sulu armies out off Sabah.Sulu Empire reign should be put to an end not more contribute yearly compensation package to them.

Posted by iafx > 2013-03-05 14:56 | Report Abuse

so far only kg.tanduo ceased, there r a number of other areas under siege with no update yet

Posted by KC Loh > 2013-03-05 16:25 | Report Abuse

http://www.theborneopost.com/2013/03/05/sulu-claims-spread-to-sarawak/

Posted by iafx > 2013-03-05 16:39 | Report Abuse

keep taking advantage of us, couldn't say enough the important of fast & swift action req!

Posted by Hustle > 2013-03-05 16:47 | Report Abuse

Now all their troops already landed in our country,this is the best time our air force eliminate their HQ versus their leader at their homeland.I'm believe they will have the min defends now at their own hometown where they came from.