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JAKS: Forced Selling - Koon Yew Yin

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Now I am eating a humble pie while writing this useful lesson for all investors. As much as I hate to expose my own mistake, I consider this lesson is very useful and essential to all investors.

Jaks share price has been falling from Rm 1.84 in February to close at 50 sen yesterday, a drop of 68% in 8 months, as you can see the chart below.

 

You can see the above chart that Genting has dropped from Rm 5.10 to close at Rm 2.86 yesterday, a drop of 48% in the last few weeks. Genting has been dropping faster comparatively. In both cases, all the shareholders are badly wounded.

Yesterday the total volume changed hands for Jaks was nearly 130 million shares and I sold about 20 million shares. Besides my selling, there must be a lot of people also selling.

Who would sell so many shares at this unrealistic price? 

Fortunately, I have been selling at higher prices for quite some time to meet my margin call. I must admit my mistake in buying too much Jaks using margin loan.

There must be a lot of shareholders of Jaks are being forced to sell to meet margin calls. The more they sell the more the price would drop. Forced selling is a vicious cycle.  

You can use margin loan to buy more shares. You will make a lot more profit when the share price is going up. But you will lose more money when the price is dropping. Margin loan is double edge sword. It cut both sides.

Most investors cannot control their emotion. They are egoistic and greedy. When their shareholdings are going up, they would not sell and like to boast to all their friends that that are so clever to have bought them at much lower prices. The biggest problem that most shareholders have is greed and refuse to sell early to take profit. Profit seems like a dirty word. While the price is going higher, they continue to boast.

Genting has dropped from Rm 5.10 to close at Rm 2.86 yesterday, a drop of 48% in about 1 month. Genting has been dropping faster comparatively. In both cases, all the shareholders are badly wounded.

Yesterday the total volume for Jaks shares changed hands was nearly 130 million shares and I sold about 20 million shares. Besides my selling, there must be a lot of people also selling. Who would sell at this unrealistic price? 

 

 

 

Lessons

1 Develop the ability to control your emotion.

2 Do not borrow too much to buy shares.

3 Eat a humble pie to cut loss. Many investors cannot would sell to cut loss.

4 When the price start to drop, you must also start to sell.

5 Life is full of challenges, but don’t give up because life is also full of solutions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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4 When the price start to drop, you must also start to sell.

5 Life is full of challenges, but don’t give up because life is also full of solutions.

 

 

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3iii

https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/koonyewyinblog/44335.jsp

Why & How to use Margin Finance to increase PROFIT - Koon Yew Yin

2018-12-02 00:08

Koon Bee

Koon + Bee = Koon Bee system still the best

2018-12-02 00:12

Zhuge_Liang

Post removed.Why?

2018-12-02 00:18

qqq3

y Zhuge_Liang > Dec 2, 2018 12:18 AM | Report Abuse

Please do not mention "Bee", qqq3 will attack you and "Bee" because he is jealous of "Bee" success.
qqq3 take
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I don't like Bees one...especially the OT Bees.

2018-12-02 00:32

3iii

Post removed.Why?

2018-12-02 00:40

qqq3

Posted by 3iii > Dec 2, 2018 12:40 AM | Report Abuse

The Pascal's Wager
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u can't tell that to one who is riding high.

u can only tell that to one who is beaten.

after all.....stock market is about practice, habits and character.

habits and character cannot change one.

2018-12-02 00:53

qqq3

Posted by 3iii > Dec 2, 2018 12:40 AM | Report Abuse

The Pascal's Wager
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places u will not go....others will go.

2018-12-02 00:55

Goh Kim Hock

No single individual can fight the market. Be humble. That's all I can say.

2018-12-02 00:56

qqq3

Goh Kim Hock > Dec 2, 2018 12:56 AM | Report Abuse

No single individual can fight the market. Be humble. That's all I can say.
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there are two stages....the buying stage and the after buying stage.

2018-12-02 01:03

zhen wei & JP

Ok

2018-12-02 06:43

zhen wei & JP

Ok

2018-12-02 06:43

mach10

I think KYY has sold out all his shares .otherwise he would not reappear and eat humble pie.

2018-12-02 07:20

Icon8888

I am the only one in this forum that did not believe for a second that Uncle Koon is in trouble. I have never met Uncle Koon before, but I can feel how seasoned and smart he is. This is because I dealt with successful entrepreneurs all the time. I know how much thoughts they put into things they do and how far they are always ahead of the crowd. Uncle Koon is one of those people. He has everything under control.

2018-12-02 07:53

Annetan

One of my friend despite bought only small quantity on dips counters recommended by Uncle Koon lost heavily.Being a philanthropist,you will do more good deeds by not recommending any counters in your writeups cause those savy traders would know how to benefit by riding the wave you attracted those traders' buying but only innocent and gullible traders/investors who do not know how will get badly burnt.Of course if you don't recommend, others would but it's their karma and not yours. I wonder the number of wounded traders/investors who bought the shares you recommended is big enough to negate all those donations you gave.The above is solely my opinion only perhaps something for you to ponder about if you are a Buddhist.

2018-12-02 08:15

Annetan

As I have said before,I was an ICU trader more than 20 yrs ago,I learnt no matter how much you have made ,you can lose it all or much more if you don't manage your risk in trading.I have been thru hell before and I really hate to see people suffering what I had been thru hence please do ponder on what I have just said,please manage your risk!

2018-12-02 08:20

Eastern686

Posted by Annetan > Dec 2, 2018 08:15 AM | Report Abuse

One of my friend despite bought only small quantity on dips counters recommended by Uncle Koon lost heavily.Being a philanthropist,you will do more good deeds by not recommending any counters in your writeups cause those savy traders would know how to benefit by riding the wave you attracted those traders' buying but only innocent and gullible traders/investors who do not know how will get badly burnt.

I wonder the number of wounded traders/investors who bought the shares you recommended is big enough to negate all those donations you gave.
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Well said. This is akin to a BIg bro of gangster who rob/swindle money from people & on and off he donate money to temple & help some poor people, for the feel good factor or "atonement". Yack.

2018-12-02 08:30

mneo

Many thanks to uncle Koon for sharing his view on stock trading/picking... I learn a lot from his postings till today.. A lot of people lose money in the stock market this year.. It is also part of the lesson or experience of stock trading.. Look at the bright side...some good companies are priced at the good bargain prices.. Thanks again to uncle Koon... :-)

2018-12-02 09:40

CharlesT

U see as i mentioned earlier...koonies will never die

2018-12-02 09:42

supersaiyan3

Genting was just unlucky, JAKS is suicide, like many investors went into it.

2018-12-02 10:00

harvestent

Really appreciate Uncle Koon to share his experience and lesson to us. Hope you will recover soon in future trading. Thank You !

2018-12-02 10:19

birkincollector

how could someone claim himself as an super investor when he faced margin call and forced selling. he made alot during bull market, when most traders/investors made money as well.....so he is NOTHING special.

2018-12-02 10:25

apolloang

play big win big,play big lose also big.....nothing special....hehe

2018-12-02 10:48

enigmatic

kcchongnz was right after all

2018-12-02 10:50

rchi

Uncle is not in trouble,no doubt abt tat.Only his ego is heavily dented.Gone are the days uncle can call ppl stupid n poor.Hahaha.

2018-12-02 10:56

smartinvestor2

koon kocky

2018-12-02 10:57

smartinvestor2

malu-lah... ini panggil super investor.
sudah angkat white flag.

2018-12-02 10:58

rchi

Super only in his own mind la

2018-12-02 11:04

apolloang

in the end only ib's win....hahaha

2018-12-02 11:08

Investor48

So Monday what price..?
Up..down or crash..
Lai lai..fortune tellers..

Hehe...

2018-12-02 11:23

Beary

My guess is oldman will continue selling on rebounds.

This article is a hint to all koonies to chap sang.

2018-12-02 11:45

adamsmith

so what is the conclusion , buy or sell?

2018-12-02 11:47

apolloang

now uncle just come to his senses ar,don't borrow to much? in fact those who borrow all bankrupt in 1997-1998. always buy within your means so you won't bankrupt

2018-12-02 11:50

adamsmith

jaks from a must buy, must sailang stocks what has happened?

2018-12-02 12:02

hollandking

what i want to tell uncle is this, mistake isn't a big deal, is when u make mistake and dont learn anything from it and continue doing it and that is a BIG DEAL. We must think what went wrong and how to prevent it from happening again. Would we have done something diff or still same if given the opp to start again at that point of time?

2018-12-02 12:03

apolloang

u ask uncle koon lo if he think jaks can PN 17 or below 40cts?

2018-12-02 12:03

pang72

New lesson....

Trade stock better than hold for years!!


Hahaha....uncle gambling ...

2018-12-02 12:05

Lukesharewalker

live and fight another day.
even the best cant fight bearish market forces.
Jesse Livermore lost and made his fortune 4 times. At the height he had 100 billion (in todays money)
We are on the edge of a collapse in a 10 year cycle. even reported good result does not boost the share price. This phenomena is seen in every bear market correction and there is no demand for shares. drop in shares would be gradual and form a death trap.
Why rush to buy GenM? 2019 wont be a good year for them, with the lawsuit on there will be a cooling period until trial whereby it is certain there is no settlement than the theme park will continue

2018-12-02 12:05

hollandking

yup

2018-12-02 12:06

hollandking

something is very wrong

2018-12-02 12:07

CharlesT

Even if kyy lost 50% to 70% of his inv in jaks he will still be richer than most if not all u stupid idiots in i3 lah

2018-12-02 12:07

Lukesharewalker

its good to tell people not to buy Jaks, its a death trap. as long as the property section is not resolved, it will drain any profits.
take a look at evolve mall, and you will be surprised that such a place exist. Truly horrifying. All the costs to maintain a mall down the drain everyday. they should dispose this liability at a fire sale as they are incapable to run it

2018-12-02 12:13

Jon Choivo

If he had everything under control. He won't be crying father mother when the bankers are force selling his shares.



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Posted by Icon8888 > Dec 2, 2018 07:53 AM | Report Abuse

I am the only one in this forum that did not believe for a second that Uncle Koon is in trouble. I have never met Uncle Koon before, but I can feel how seasoned and smart he is. This is because I dealt with successful entrepreneurs all the time. I know how much thoughts they put into things they do and how far they are always ahead of the crowd. Uncle Koon is one of those people. He has everything under control.

2018-12-02 13:06

geary

Money n Risk management play an important parts...Uncle Koon I think he is under control...with his experiences... probably he will win Big again... that's why he has the guts the write...admit his mistakes...be humboe...n move On...!!!

2018-12-02 14:56

smartinvestor2

i think he like posses with evil when play jaks.
greedy. Just like take drugs.

2018-12-02 15:08

apolIoang

@Calvintaneng, You better explain how you promoted ARMADA last time at RM 1.30

2018-12-02 23:12

apolloang

Jun 4, 2015 - calvintaneng wrote:

B Armada came down from 52 weeks high of Rm3.70. A rebound to half way mark of Rm1.85 is possible. ...

2018-12-02 23:15

apolloang

half way of Rm1.85 or 18.5 sen ....

2018-12-02 23:17

kelvin61

All self professed gurus and super investors here seem to missed it. I said from the start that Jaks is not a good stock to put your hard earned money into and for the gullible using margin too. I mentioned that the most pertinent criteria in stock picking is the management that runs the company. Jaks has a very poor track record. Yet there were self professed super investors that were attracted to this stock. There's no free lunch in this world. So, what goes around comes around. Hopefully, this will serve as a lesson to all to buy companies that are managed well and not prices ramp up through private syndicates and gullible followers that think they're invincible. These people has finally got their fingers burnt. This is their karma for boasting in the past on their track record. Their modus operandi was to attract unassuming investors to help push their share price up. Hopefully, they will be more humble in their writing in future, cheers.

2018-12-03 23:22

i3lurker

Post removed.Why?

2018-12-18 07:24

joetay7

but u also professed that parkson will give 500% return last time.

so what happened to ur parkson????

lol.............

Posted by kelvin61 > Dec 3, 2018 11:22 PM | Report Abuse

All self professed gurus and super investors here seem to missed it. I said from the start that Jaks is not a good stock to put your hard earned money into and for the gullible using margin too. I mentioned that the most pertinent criteria in stock picking is the management that runs the company. Jaks has a very poor track record. Yet there were self professed super investors that were attracted to this stock. There's no free lunch in this world. So, what goes around comes around. Hopefully, this will serve as a lesson to all to buy companies that are managed well and not prices ramp up through private syndicates and gullible followers that think they're invincible. These people has finally got their fingers burnt. This is their karma for boasting in the past on their track record. Their modus operandi was to attract unassuming investors to help push their share price up. Hopefully, they will be more humble in their writing in future, cheers.

2018-12-18 09:41

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